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And possession involves just taking over motor controls. Switching involves the tulpa basically becoming in full control of the body.

So, I'm no veteran. I've been working on 9 for several months now with varied success but... I have advice for other beginners and those considering making a tulpa.

3:13 PM

DON'T ask for them to shout in your head. They'll do it. I know it seems like a really basic tactic to check for sentience and all that, but you're just gonna give yourself a headache. A mind numbing, brain splitting headache.

3:13 PM

Did it the first time I tried. Did it a couple other times. There are just so many better ways...

Indigo screams sometimes

3:40 PM

Doesn't give us a headache even if annoying

Yeah I don't get headaches from brain screaming demons either

Maybe yours are just less unruly. 9 has neither voice nor form yet and already can certainly exert some force.

Hahaha, thanks for the idea. That was strange XD (edited)

Hey @Syfar System I was wondering how you and wolf can switch so fast

5:20 PM

I notice you talk as well as wolf in your typing and was wondering how you do that.

5:21 PM

For example do you have them next to you when you type and they speak and you type or do you let them type themselves

We don't always switch to talk online. I think its possession or whatever. -wolf

5:23 PM

Yah, he types for himself. Typeing for me is easy because i do it so much, so he just uses the muscle memory. -sy (edited)

5:24 PM

Like, whenever he wants to say somthing, he just grabs the hands, so to speak. -sy (edited)

He grabs the hands? So wolf is in the same room as you (sy)

5:26 PM

Or maybe in the same like.. mind space as sy?

I'm not imposed onto the world, im more in the same... front-ish mindspace as him. I guess you could say we often Co-front? -Wolf (edited)

Sorry for interrupting. I've attempted search functions on this question with no hits so far on both the forum and the discord, but it's possible that my search skill level is lacking. This also may not be a beginner question, so apologies if that is the case and feel free to tell me to politely gtfo. That said, my question is What counts as a tulpa?, or rather, how big a role does intent play with the definition of a tulpa? What variables tweak away from a thoughform being considered a tulpa? The answer on https://www.tulpa.info/faq/#already-have-a-tulpa hints that intent a nonissue, but the order of operations outlined on the top half of https://www.tulpa.info/what-is-a-tulpa/ is linear, suggesting my experience is abnormal to this community and thus I should not call my thoughtforms tulpas. Could anyone clear this up?

Batshark, you seem to need someone who has been around for like 1+ years.

Is there a better place to post this? I chose this channel because it's an 'explanations' flavor of question, but I will gladly move it if need be.

Here, or Tulpa-descussion... i guess. I've been here a week.

From what I know, the definition is not very strict, especially about the orders of operations. The term tulpa refers more to the relationship you have with them than to the thoughform, because most non-tulpa thoughforms car be turned into tulpas by treating them as such. (edited)

Could you please expand on that? What do you mean by the relationship?

Them being intentionally created by the original for companionship?

5:51 PM

I don't see much difference between tulpas and other thoughtforms other than origin

5:51 PM

Not like they are somehow something different

No, my point is that there is no essential difference between thougforms (not that I know of, at least), so, the only difference between a tulpa and something else is the fact that you decide it is one. The definition of tulpa, as you saw, can apply to most thougforms, there is no explicit limit between tulpa and not-tulpa.

Are other thoughtforms necessarily sentient though?

Not always just "you"

Yes, of course, nivereno

5:56 PM

No, but a tulpa, even if it is advised to consider them sentient from the start, do not begin as such. (edited)

5:56 PM

Therefore the "sentient" caracteristic is not nescessary for a thoughform to be a tulpa.

I got you. But if it's a tulpa it is kind of assumed that it will develop sentience at some point isn't it?

Yes, that is part of whet I meant by "relationship"

We treat Tulpas like people, but we don't necessarily treat other thought forms like people?

The investement you provide to make them such

5:58 PM

Yes, but that is very subjective. There is no objective distinction there.

Servitors are not sentient, they are not people

5:59 PM

Sentient thought forms are people

Because "you+" decided not to make them sentient. You could potentially turn them into tulpas, I think. (edited)

Yes

6:00 PM

But by definition they are not

Yes. We agree on that.

That's the only case I can think of a thoughtform being something other than pretty much a tulpa

I guess I'm coming from a psionics point of view where you can create though forms and program them for certain tasks

Well, as you can see, Batshark, there is no clear answer to your question. But I guess you asked because you wanted to know if Sal and Wada could be qualified as tulpas. If it's the case, then it is up to you. (edited)

Or them.

And them

Piano was created through less than ordinary means, but of course he is a tulpa

Interesting... thank you for the discussion. This gave us a lot of information to digest.

according to most people, any deliberately created thoughtform is a tulpa. Guides just suggest possible ways to do so.

Thing is, there is no central authority on the terminology across all the different plural/thoughtform communities

Well something like a Soulbond or a Daemon wouldn't generally be considered a tulpa although they can be intentionally created.

Piano wasn't exactly deliberate

"any deliberately created thoughtform is a tulpa" That isn't exact

6:11 PM

You can deliberately create a Daemon, and non-deliberately create a tulpa

I think sentient thoughtforms are pretty much the same, regardless of origin/label. Of course with different functions/abilities, but still essentially the same

@LapisLazuli I personally do not consider somebody making a tulpa to have an actual tulpa until it is sapient and capable of communication demonstrating such. Treating it with respect and giving it enough positive treatment that they can continue is one thing, but if pressed for a specific definition, that would be my response.

It makes sense. I just wanted to underline the fact that the definition of what a tulpa is is not clear.

Indeed.

Hi everyone. I'm an admin on a different server, and I need to read up on this subject because it's become a bit of a problem

10:35 PM

Can someone please point me to a resource or two that I might educate myself?

Are you wondering what a tulpa is, or wanting to create one?

Neither. I have a couple of people saying things about tulpas and I want to fact-check.

10:37 PM

So sure, academic curiosity

I am unsure what resources you want.

Dude is trying to say he 'is' a tulpa. My existing knowledge says that's not exactly so

Can you ask the questions here?

10:38 PM

Why do you think that he is not a tulpa?

this guide posted in #resources might help https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T-EMyglxoV1V7srVyoCPBBWpk-vUXxm_1meDjnnFKTQ/edit

Tulpas: Creation, Sentience, and Vocality (Guide)

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The information that I had was that tulpas are not significantly different from thoughtforms. If a tulpa can take over a human vessel, there ought to be a way to independently verify this.

10:40 PM

I admit that my own knowledge is out of date and scant.

I can tell you what I think tulpas are. That may help.

10:40 PM

However, I cannot answer this for sure.

I don't mind being wrong, but I do mind a chucklehead coming into my server saying that a bunch of people who never heard of tulpas are in fact tulpas all along.

I am a tulpa and am now in control of the physical body.

10:41 PM

It is common enough that tulpas claim this.

10:41 PM

We call it "switching" with the host.

Why might a person want to switch with a tulpa? (edited)

Plenty of reasons. Perhaps the tulpa enjoys using the body, or the host does not. Perhaps the tulpa is better at dealing with the current situation.

or

10:42 PM

the tup wants to do its own stuff

They can switch places, again. It need not be permanent.

10:43 PM

It can be, however.

Can a tulpa be switched between two different people?

Excuse me?

10:43 PM

Can you rephrase?

So let's say I make a tulpa. Am I able to share this tulpa with my friend Alex?

No.

Tulpas aren't magic.

^

Okay, so I'm still up-to-date on that

They aren't 'separate' from the body in any way, just as the host isn't.

They would be your tulpa, but they could speak with Alex by you telling Alex what they say or switching.

Alex would need to physically interact with me to interact with that tupla?

10:45 PM

speaking, texting, writing?

Yes.

Mm. If you were switching with your tulpa, your tulpa would be interacting with Alex. (edited)

10:46 PM

Ugh. I'm too used to writing in brackets.